The psychics Vent

[star1]

I’m a psychic and tarot reader, I confirm on my cards if I need to, and its past the law of coincidence.

Uh, no. First off the universe is a weird place where we get coincidences, signs, synchronicities all the time that do not necessarily amount to what you think or hope it means. We have all experienced things where you think, no way could this be a coincidence. All part of the beauty and wonder of life, and the way everything is connected and patterns repeat. But not a factual indicator of anything like whether someone is married or not.

It is possible due to the nature of individual perception, to think you are seeing a pattern that is beyond coincidence, when it is really just repetition of confirmation bias. In other words it is easy to convince yourself you are right about anything, if you rely on something symbolic and subjective to confirm it. And card reading is highly subjective.

You cannot "confirm" anything using a set of cards. I get what you mean by saying that, but cards are just cards. They are not reality. We confirm things in real life, with factual information or by seeing what actually happens. Unless you know the facts, you cannot confirm anything.

Yes, it is possible that the man is married and the client does not know. But, it is also equally possible that the man is not married, the client knows this and it is you who does not know the facts.

We have no reason to believe you, just because you say you are psychic, you have done x number of readings, this is common, you have seen it happen before, etc. Any random stranger could walk up to someone on the street and say the same things. There is no reason to believe you, any more than we would believe anyone else, unless you have a well established reputation...a reputation which I think you do not have, if you are posting here under an anonymous handle, and posting to vent about clients who leave you negative reviews.

When we get readings, we take it on good faith that a) the reader is not lying to us and b) the reader is not lying to themselves.

What we can see here in your own words is that you confirm information by using subjective interpretation of symbolism (card reading) rather than confirming it with what the client knows or believes to be true. And it sounds like this is a habit. And, if the clients knows for certain you are wrong, they have no way to prove it to you, and you may not believe it anyway. The clients who know you are wrong are not going to contact you again, and because of this, you may go on believing you were correct when you were in fact NOT correct.

So, while it is possible that your reading could be correct, it is also very possible that it is not, and that you may never find out how inaccurate your readings are.

I guess because these things are very common it’s not possible to identify the client. These things are happening every day.

Well, you might be surprised sometimes what people can identify here, or at least think they can. Posting something like this is pure pot stirring and instigation of gossip.

How common it is, does not make any difference. That only means, instead of one person getting outed with something unique to them, perhaps a dozen or more people read this and think it is about them, or their friend who has confided about a similar situation, or some other forum member they suspect it might apply to. So again, pot stirring.

But I would agree it doesn't really say that much about the client. This could be anyone. It says more about you, as the reader, that you feel the need to come here and vent because you got a bad review. This forum is not the place for psychics to vent about clients, and you are doing it in a way that sounds petty and arrogant.

So, is the problem that you don't know how to deliver bad news in a kind and informative way, or is the problem that you were just wrong about the bad news?

I mean you weren't really looking for sympathy here were you...on a forum where people leave negative reviews for psychics just like you every day? Or is it more like you want a little lift for your bruised ego, by telling us how much you know better than your clients, and sharing some "juicy" stuff to get us on your side?

Over 400 readings I’ve done, and a lot of those had men who were married and the woman didn’t know about it.

And how do you know that? Did you confirm with the client after they found out? Or just confirm on the cards? Then again, why shoukd we believe you, either way?

The issue is leaving bad review before it came to pass, that’s my gripe. Or maybe she could have asked a question about something coming up in the immediate future so she could verify, and the review could have been based on that. Since it’s the vent, that’s where this goes.

Well, unfortunately the timeframe for leaving feedback is pretty short on most platforms. So clients can't wait around to see if everything comes to pass before leaving feedback. You couldn't tell this client something, just one thing she could actually verify? Or is it just that you were wrong, she knew it for certain and left feedback accordingly?

What makes you so certain that you, or your cards, are right?

Like seriously, all of this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I will also add, I had a reader once convinced that my POI was married, turned out he was married to his work so to speak. That was his commitment.  As a reader you hold a responsibility to your client, and your confidence comes off as arrogance. No reader is 100% right. you may not tell fairytales, but that doesn't mean you're 100% right.  Sometimes the cards that come up in this fashion can be a meaning for the reader themself and not the actual client. I've had friends who also read cards have that happen to. And turned out the message was actually for the reader and not the client.   Each card has various meanings and they don't always mean the same thing.

Oh and my personal favourite i had a reader convinced i was pregnant because the empress kept popping up, and even flew out of her deck. I wasn't pregnant and didn't get pregnant since that reading. She kept telling me i was getting all these pregnancy cards. lol Things aren't always as they seem.

This is why I am not keen on cards.. They can be so inaccurate, and when a reader is seeing something in their cards (not talking specifically to Kindle - in general), they can be adamant that the cards are not wrong when they are alot of the time.

[HornetKick]

What we can see here in your own words is that you confirm information by using subjective interpretation of symbolism (card reading) rather than confirming it with what the client knows or believes to be true. And it sounds like this is a habit. And, if the clients knows for certain you are wrong, they have no way to prove it to you, and you may not believe it anyway. The clients who know you are wrong are not going to contact you again, and because of this, you may go on believing you were correct when you were in fact NOT correct.

This is why I am not keen on cards.. They can be so inaccurate, and when a reader is seeing something in their cards (not talking specifically to Kindle - in general), they can be adamant that the cards are not wrong when they are alot of the time.

Exactly. Cards are not fail-safe, nor are psychics for that matter.

[jhuskindle]

What we can see here in your own words is that you confirm information by using subjective interpretation of symbolism (card reading) rather than confirming it with what the client knows or believes to be true. And it sounds like this is a habit. And, if the clients knows for certain you are wrong, they have no way to prove it to you, and you may not believe it anyway. The clients who know you are wrong are not going to contact you again, and because of this, you may go on believing you were correct when you were in fact NOT correct.

This is why I am not keen on cards.. They can be so inaccurate, and when a reader is seeing something in their cards (not talking specifically to Kindle - in general), they can be adamant that the cards are not wrong when they are alot of the time.

Exactly. Cards are not fail-safe, nor are psychics for that matter.

Agreed. That’s why I use both. My platform allows 2 mo to follow up. That’s plenty of time for January to come and go!

I see people call th empress a pregnancy all th time, it can’t be in my readings unless it has two other cards next to it indicating pregnancy. Otherwise it’s just describing a beautiful creative woman that many men admire and is strong by her own right And usually very funny. If with other pregnancy card sure.

Shuffling 3x and getting the same combo sure I could be wrong but why not wait until January to find out? Many people here end up saying they were in denial if they got something negative. Totally fine but hold th review!

And of course why I always encourage people to test on a very short period, like how will my party go on Friday? So there’s no questions, is she accurate?

[chrys1234]

Did you find out then if the dude is married?

In 2018 I had a lot of readings including card readers, not one told me that the dude was married and with a kid on the way....

Now explain that.

I agree that cards are really inaccurate and unreliable

[HornetKick]

Why are you here gossiping about what people tell you in readings? That should be kept private.

This right here! Thank you. I was thinking the same. There is is a code of ethics readers much follow, and sharing people's personal information publicly and for your own amusement is not only unethical but shameful.

I found this comment astounding. Readers/Psychics whatever you call them do not have any code of ethics. They didn't raise their right hands and swear an oath to anything or anyone. They logged onto a platform and started taking calls. I'm not taking sides, just pointing out the facts that readers are just people and clients need to be careful what they tell readers. Placing these people on high pedestals is dangerous.

[dascallie]

Looks like I'm in minority but I don't see how it's is unethical to describe case studies (in this case, psychic readings) when there is no identifying names or places.

We learn in this world by observing, watching outcomes, examples of others.

All the self-help books contain case studies of real people with excruciatingly detailed scenarios.

But their identifications are either aliases like Sarah M, or 'Patient A', 'Client S', etc

It's information. It's the way life rolls---observing, reading about others--as well of course, our own direct experience--is how we learn, how we discern. Some of it is junk, some of it is useful---some of it we may see ourselves in, and it can be helpful getting that wake up call.

I think jumping on this person as unethical makes zero sense.

She's giving you a view into the human psyche as she has experiences it as a psychic. I think it's pretty enlightening. To me that's worth hearing about--lest I recognize myself--I may be motivated to discern between hopeful optimism and obsessive, destructive denial.

[dascallie]

I have a psychiatrist friend and he will frequently describe something a patient said or did---but would he NEVER breath a word of who the patient is. It's called sharing experiences.

According to the standard here (very unrealistic) it's the thought police gone even further off the rails.

Are we all to be muzzled, we cannot even discuss anonymous humans we encounter and their behavior without being called a 'gossip'? It can only be gossip if it is tied to an identifiable or even clearly implied person.

Gossip is when a person--by name--is defamed, harmed, in association with spurious information.

Calling it 'private'---uh, no it's not ---without any identifying data associated with it, it is free, it's public domain. It's people interacting about who and what they encounter.

Might as well ban the telling of the Grimms Fairy Tales...

[dascallie]

Why not Prof?

This is LIFE --we are living it --here and now--and many, many here share feelings, thoughts, pour out their hearts to one another--question each other---it's actually the MOST natural place to discuss 'case studies".

You'd have to torture logic pretty severely to rationalize the banning of discussing real life human behavior ---when everybody here is SEEKING ANSWERS.

[HornetKick]

It happens a lot more than many of us are aware of. I knew an attorney who would speak about his divorce cases among groups of us just standing around, although he never mentioned anyone's name. We all lived in the same state and he was very open about why the couple was divorcing. Granted, it isn't possible to be too far fetched that I'd even know or run into the divorcee, but don't attorney's have a client-privilege rule, similar to an oath or something? Many of us talked behind that attorney's back in how disgusting we felt he was for talking publicly about a private matter. Really dude?

[Fidget1028]

It happens a lot more than many of us are aware of. I knew an attorney who would speak about his divorce cases among groups of us just standing around, although he never mentioned anyone's name. We all lived in the same state and he was very open about why the couple was divorcing. Granted, it isn't possible to be too far fetched that I'd even know or run into the divorcee, but don't attorney's have a client-privilege rule, similar to an oath or something? Many of us talked behind that attorney's back in how disgusting we felt he was for talking publicly about a private matter. Really dude?

Attorney/client privelege, just like HIPAA laws only apply to identifiable information.. You can talk about anything to anyone if the person isn't identified. The argument could be had that some situations could be rare or unique enough that a name isn't needed or so common that it applies to many. Unless it for consultation with another "professional" in the field, it's just unprofessional to gossip. I have many friends who are family therapists. They do talk in general terms, but never about specific cases. They take it more seriously than that. It's also why many of them have their own therapists.

[dascallie]

Whether we label it gossip (which, without identifying data, it just logically cannot be) or not--the truth of the matter all humans discuss what they experience, it's how we all share and gain awareness.

Maybe you're saying you consider it gratuitous, ok---maybe--but I challenge every one of us to honestly see ourselves.

Who among us can claim to walk in such Christ-like purity that we muzzle ourselves when we encounter behaviors that we find startling, or may be warning signs for us.

Stories or info we pass on because they shock us, because we recognize the destructiveness or peril of them.

I'm not saying we are always high-minded and noble when we share this stuff, but our shock in telling others serves a function in our own growth, if we are wise enough to separate the 'titillation' from the lesson.

God puts it in our path to hear--it's our free will to learn and apply better personal choices as a result of being exposed to it.

The Bible is full of stories of human frailty and consequence. Human failing is the catalyst for human betterment.

We learn by example--"But by the grace of God, there go I" kind of wake-up perhaps. That's how I view it, anyway.
 
And without an attached name--it cannot be personal!

We humans are always observing, sharing, co-creative agents and therefore, we must SHARE (without identifying names except by permission)---I honestly don't get casting so much shade on what is a running fact of co-existence.

Information travels. Like I said above, "lessons learned", or lessons ignored,  by others inform our survival. There's an interesting adage attributed to Socrates: "A life unexamined is not worth living". I would not go that far, but the point is there.

We continuously learn, but we should do no harm to others in the learning.

Decent, conscious and moral beings should NEVER attach names. That is a vile and destructive thing to do to another human being. More than vicious. Soul killing.

But a real world, reality check from me--I've never heard a single credentialed MD or research scientist (I work in the circle--a lot of info flows) act like they cannot discuss ANONYMOUS case behavior or stats---along with the occasional raised eyebrows, it brings insights, illustrates needed perspective.

And yes, in their humanness, they've even joked about this or that quirky thing, it doesn't make them bad. It makes them human and they need to relate, as we all do.

But YES, I agree in spades...if ANYONE, especially a respected, accomplished professional in their field, spreads information that is so thinly veiled and so specifically associated through detailed characteristics---that the identity can be easily guessed by those in a circle of people who all know one another--then YES, that is gossip and it's evil. And I bet they'd get their pants sued off and lose their license--and they should!

But that's not what we're talking about here--we're talking about a subculture of probably thousands of people on the internet--who have no way of knowing one another.

I don't think we should judge someone for sharing the insights of their experience and say it means they're not professional, so we brand a scarlet letter on their forehead--it sounds rather Soviet to pressure that level of silence in order to be what the group terms a 'good' person.

Ironically, as we pile on the person who pretty unabashedly offered a glimpse into his/her world (which tells me intentions aren't dark, just open and maybe hapless) we start impugning HIM/HER.

And because this person has freely admitted his/her profession as an online psychic on platforms we've purchased readings on, some  may have an idea who she/he is. Even so, they're being called a gossip, their ethics insulted, reputation sullied, attacked by the group.

Maybe some discuss his/her possible identity by possible name in private messages (not saying any one in this discussion is doing that) --but boy, attach a name and it travels like wildfire.

Which starts to build a case that we might be doing to her--the very thing we say is not ok to do with others who have zero risk of being identified, whereas this person could conceivably be 'figured out'.

I value the thoughts of those here.

This is just my point of view.

[HornetKick]

Who among us can claim to walk in such Christ-like purity

Whoa, I stopped reading once I saw this.

[bee.23]

Why are you here gossiping about what people tell you in readings? That should be kept private.

This right here! Thank you. I was thinking the same. There is is a code of ethics readers much follow, and sharing people's personal information publicly and for your own amusement is not only unethical but shameful.

I found this comment astounding. Readers/Psychics whatever you call them do not have any code of ethics. They didn't raise their right hands and swear an oath to anything or anyone. They logged onto a platform and started taking calls. I'm not taking sides, just pointing out the facts that readers are just people and clients need to be careful what they tell readers. Placing these people on high pedestals is dangerous.

I agree with you. Everyone was giving this individual so much shame, when this forum was created to support one another and share our experiences - correct? Psychics are not led by any ethic or moral basis; the majority of our personal experiences with readers further PROVE that rational. For those that claim an ethic foundation should be followed, it would be best to seek their insight from pastors and licensed therapists. If she were to call out a specific name attached to the story, that might be considered un-ethical but a story is just a story and all she was doing was trying to share her experience for communicative purposes. I believe if there is no defamation or belittling of anyone in the process, this individual should be completely open to expressing what she will.

[bee.23]

Looks like I'm in minority but I don't see how it's is unethical to describe case studies (in this case, psychic readings) when there is no identifying names or places.

We learn in this world by observing, watching outcomes, examples of others.

All the self-help books contain case studies of real people with excruciatingly detailed scenarios.

But their identifications are either aliases like Sarah M, or 'Patient A', 'Client S', etc

It's information. It's the way life rolls---observing, reading about others--as well of course, our own direct experience--is how we learn, how we discern. Some of it is junk, some of it is useful---some of it we may see ourselves in, and it can be helpful getting that wake up call.

I think jumping on this person as unethical makes zero sense.

She's giving you a view into the human psyche as she has experiences it as a psychic. I think it's pretty enlightening. To me that's worth hearing about--lest I recognize myself--I may be motivated to discern between hopeful optimism and obsessive, destructive denial.

I 100% agree with this, fully.

[jhuskindle]

Awe thanks guys, but dont worry, I dont mind. People come here when they are at their lowest. They are scared, upset, and looking for answers. The will find literally anything to hound someone about. I don't take them personally or I'd have been long gone. These days I visit every few months. I don't do readings anymore but using other clients as an example helps with social proof and social understanding, and could apply to literally anyone. I feel no need to defend this post. I hope it is helpful to some. I still get emails today that says the things they thought wouldnt happen end up coming true, not violating anything by saying so.

People here are having episodes when they arrive to the board, desperate already and anxious, maybe even having a breakdown. This is ok. It's ok to be anxious and I'd rather you take it out on me, some random board member, than in person to family or friends. Love this group, love this forum, Im deeply grateful for it.