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Metaphysical, Spiritual and Psychic Discussions => Storefront Psychics & Online Services => Topic started by: Estrellita on September 01, 2012, 09:52:20 PM
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So today I read w/this so called psychic.
She was so way off, I even told her.
To throw her off I told her that the guy I like has a kid out there, she quickly says "YES he does", well I KNOW for sure he has no kids, and I told her that I had made that up. She quickly says "Well I saw that he has a kid, but it could have been a kid he has not had yet"
WHAT???
I mean she had NO clear answers and I told her that. I said the reason I'm calling a psychic is to GET ANSWERS, not a "friend" to chat with.
She recorded our session and I told her to keep it that I was as confused as when I called.
MY last resort is Cookie and then I'm DONE!!!
Any input?
8^)
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I have been in your shoes for a month now, I call myself a "psychic whore" ;D
Called so many of them, over hundred in a month. Not joking. Almost all of them were off. There were couple who did not say stuff that I would b happy to hear soi am thinking maybe they were right;) I do what u did all the time, and I do it with the place that the person in question lives at, and almost everyone got it wrong.
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She had the audacity to say "Well the future is fluid so I dont have the answers"
WHAT??? THEN why the hell are you a psychic????
Stupid idiot lady she was.
haha
Well, I'm gonna try Cookie on Keen, everyone says she is accurate!!
SO FAR I've spent about $200 on psychic services and I'm about to STOP
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Pls do ur best to stop because I spent over 2k. Stupid is not it, I had some of those ones, I called one and she said expect something to happen in 2-3 days. I waited 3 weeks and told her it did not happen and she said let me look and then said definitely there was a delay! And I was like wow u r a genius!!!
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Have you read with cookie? Maybe you should.
They say she is pretty good w/predictions
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I did not read with anyone on keen. Mostly used CP and psychic center and psychic source. On CP I read with Gina Rose who is their most famous one, she made predictions for October so I do not know but what I saw in general was that late July early August when I was calling all the predictions were towards the end of August to mid September. Not that I am calling they are towards the mid October. ;)
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i read with ricky and theres on PS
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Hi....obenimdunyam......I have read with many of CP Psychics, including Saimadi......Her predictions are still pending, but I have to say, she picked up most of everything my local psychic did.
Some of my favs are Agned and Fallon......please feel free to ask any questions you may have about CP psychics,since that is where I read the most...or you can email me.
Hope this helps!.....bellalife!
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Hi Bellalife,
Thanks. I read with lots of them recently. The closest was kallista. I liked Phillip and Michael but none of the predictions came to pass in the given timelines. There is something with Phillip though which I connect with. I do not know what but I like his readings
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Just wanted to share my psychic experience re: psychics and timing. Many years ago I read with a local psychic, which came highly recommened from several people I work with. Anyhow she read me, hit many things that had happened right off the bat. She also kept telling me I was going to meet someone new, she gave me the exact name, city, and his occupation. I thought to myself ok this is nice. She told me within a few weeks I would meet this person. Ok I waited about 6 months, nothing, Im went back and again same prediction, name of person, city, and occupation, she said any day now. Well 3 months passed again, and nothing. So after three months I went back, and once again she said the same thing. Then bingo....about a month a later I met this person, name, city, and occupation right on. This took about a year, but it did happen, she was consistent with the predictions, but the universe has the exact time when things are to be. Mind you I was not thinking about this all the time, I was busy then and could not have delayed it by thoughts....universal timing!
Good luck to all, myself included...... :)
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Another time....years later. I met a new man who was draining me, a real player, biggest idiot I ever met. Well I got so tired of the yoyo game. I went back to her, she told me I was going to meet a very tall man who was going capture my attention, and distract me from the idiot, she said he loves to dance. This one took about 2-3 months, but sure enough it happened. He actually help me to get over idiot.
Boy can I use a distraction now to forget another idiot..........Universe please help me bring about another....a very good one......a keeper..... :)
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I have been in your shoes for a month now, I call myself a "psychic whore" ;D
Called so many of them, over hundred in a month. Not joking. Almost all of them were off. There were couple who did not say stuff that I would b happy to hear soi am thinking maybe they were right;) I do what u did all the time, and I do it with the place that the person in question lives at, and almost everyone got it wrong.
I'm interested in your logic here, or perhaps I don't fully understand your post. Are you saying that out of 100 or more readings, all had positive predictions and only a couple had negative predictions - but you are inclined to believe that those readers that gave you negative predictions will be correct on the outcome, because the other readers did not identify the current residence of the person? How much detail in the place were you looking for?
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My friend and I are always debating about this. She defines an accurate psychic as someone who can pick up the present situation without being given any details. I agree with that assessment, however, I like someone who can actually predict outcomes, not just past and present. I will say that I used to be obsessed with time frames, but now I am more concerned about final outcome. Sometimes I feel they are guessing.
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Right. I've been reading a lot of threads on this forum dating back a year or so. It seems that better terminology could be used when reporting on readings.
For example, if a psychic that gives you a positive outcome that never comes to pass, then is that a failed prediction, or do some members report that predictions didn't come to pass when timing of contact did not occur as suggested? Timing is variable... so too are outcomes, related to changes in your actions or mindset and free will of another party, I suppose, but what is the measuring stick that members are using when they say that a particular psychic's predictions were not accurate?
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Well I can't speak for everyone, but from what I gather, a failed prediction is one that the never came to pass at all. Most when writing reviews, will say something like came to pass (but timing was off by x months.)
Then some members have reported predictions coming true 2-3 years later. Scary!!
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Generally, a failed prediction to me is one that never comes to pass. I have experienced where a psychic predicted something to occur in a certain month ( I figured in the same year). It actually happened two years later.
I don't believe in" free will, you can change the prediction, thinking about it stops it from happening bs" when I get readings. 90 percent of the time, I think a good psychic can tell a final outcome of a situation. It is just that less than 10 percent of psychic out there are good. I don't believe in timing anymore...stuff happens when it happens.
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@loops77....was the prediction you described a major one? I totally agree re "free will bs." After all the readings I have had, just wondering if the final outcome will maniefest.
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Well, that's my point entirely. If the outcome can be off by as much as several years, we have to be very careful when reading posts where members say that a psychic's predictions didn't come to pass. Unless, of course, several years have passed since the reading.
I think that there are many members on this forum that report that their readings were not accurate because certain timing has not occured within a timeframe given. But if "outcome" is the deciding factor, and if outcome can be delayed for one reason or another, how do they really know?
The reason for my inquiry is because I, myself, am analyzing the readings I have received to see if there is consistency in the predictions given. If, for example, a member has received 100 readings and all have predicted a positive outcome, but contact timeframes may have differed within the 100 that report a positive outcome, should the member consider that the "outcome" predicted is probably going to occur?
If a member has received 100 readings and 97% of them report a positive "outcome" with varying timelines, should a member consider that the predicted "outcome" is likely to occur, or does the fact that 3% report a negative "outcome" suggest that there is a chance that the "outcome" could either be positive or negative?
What measuring stick is used to determine the accuracy?
I'll cite my own example here. I received a reading yesterday with an "outcome" the same as 97% of the readings I have received. However, there were a few poignant facts revealed in that reading, without any input from me, that indicated to me that the reader might very well be seeing something that is true. Do all of you ask something in a reading to try to verify the reader's accuracy? Is that something we should all be doing in our readings? And what sort of query should it be, because I think that detail might be difficult for all readers to report. Tarot readers for example might not be able to report the detail that remote viewers can.
Remote viewers may give details in the now, but have been reported to have difficulty with outcome. Empaths report on the emotions in the now, but may have difficulty reporting the outcome. Clairvoyants may be able to report outcome, but not give as much detail as remote viewers, etc. So is the best process to get a variety of readings from a variety of readers, a mixture of remote viewers, empaths and CVs and then see if they all "get" something?
Just curious to see what the rest of you think.
Well I can't speak for everyone, but from what I gather, a failed prediction is one that the never came to pass at all. Most when writing reviews, will say something like came to pass (but timing was off by x months.)
Then some members have reported predictions coming true 2-3 years later. Scary!!
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@loops77.......I am with you on free will bs............that is only an escape for the psychic who gave you the reading!
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Yes. I go into each reading I have with one key question.... "will the outcome I desire in this situation be positive?" Details, such as when I might receive contact or when the outcome might occur are less important to me... than "if" the outcome is probable.
I wish to find out whether a certain outcome will occur from a situation I find myself in. I query the readers, "will such and such occur?" focusing on the outcome, principally. Since my situation involves another person, I have consulted with a variety of readers - empaths, clairvoyants, what I refer to a garden-variety psychics that use a mixture of approaches, none of which are listed as their specialty and tarot card readers.
Now this may appear to some of you as being a somewhat scientific approach, but I believe with readings we are dealing with the "probability" of something happening, and as such I feel that the mathematical approach to determining whether a desired outcome is possible, could work as long as nothing changes significantly.
So, in my case, I felt the need to consult a variety of readers. Empaths would only give me the emotional state at the time , which could vary from time to time dependent upon what was happening with the subject and while consulting them frequently might give me a sense as how emotions are progressing, perhaps I wouldn't get a clear picture of the outcome. But with a mixture of empaths and clairvoyant/clairaudient/clairsentient would give a more comprehensive assessment and adding in tarot card readers as well, would perhaps give yet a clearer sense of the probability of the outcome . I have yet to consult a remote viewer yet, because I am not sure how that could contribute to the overal picture. Any of you that have consulted a remote viewer, I'd be interested in hearing if it does help.
So, here are the results of my readings thus far.
The mix comprises:
15% empaths that only promote their empathic abilities, they may have others, but I don't know
62% clairvoyant/clairaudient/clairscentient specialists, some may have empathic abilities as well
18% of what I call garden-variety psychics that use any or many forms or tools to do a reading
5% tarot card readers that simply read cards.
And the predictions thus far
Empaths :- 89.0% positive outcome 11.0% negative outcome (reasonable since emotions fluctuate and they don't always offer predictions )
CV/CA/CS :- 98.1% positive outcome 1.9% negative outcome
Garden-variety psychics (multiple tools) 96.8% positive outcome 3.2% negative outcome
Tarot card readers : - 100.0% positive outcome 0.0% negative outcome
From those stats, should I be considering that the probability is high that I shall see the desired outcome?
I'm also curious to see if anyone else has taken this approach and developed a mix of "go-to" readers to maximize the clarity of the situation namely someone that can hone in on the emotional male up of the subject, along with someone that might "see or sense" a series of events that are likely to occur, plus someone that reads cards to get a general sense of how things will play out, if nothing significant alters a path.
Reason I am asking is because I read here that people have one or two go-to readers that they focus on. I presume they are not simply remote viewers and empaths...since I would sense that might not render the overall picture.
@loops77.......I am with you on free will bs............that is only an escape for the psychic who gave you the reading!
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Well, I will clarify. When I say a reader was wrong, something else actually happens that resolves the situation. If a reader says, you will get the loan, but at a sucky interest rate and I end up not getting it. It is wrong to me.
Now, readers that tell me that something will happen in two weeks. It dosent happen, but it happens one to two years later. I give them credit for calling it. Usually, I keep these readers in limbo mode and dont say that they are innacurate or accurate until I know for sure. I dont put the timing against them anymore.
Remote viewers, empaths, clairvoyants...if they were able to validate the situation, give me accurate information, but ended up being wrong about the whole thing anyway...I give them a bit of partial credit because they DID tap into it. Just that the information was misleading and didnt help me very much in the end. This is the majority of psychics, I believe. Cookie can tell me today that my boss will be in a bad mood, will be wearing a multi-colored tie and that he will be a hard ass on me during the big meeting. She may be right about everything else except him being a hard ass to me.....i give her a smidgen of credit...but her reading wasnt really helpful was it? This is the major reason that we keep trying to call and get readings by different psychics. They do have ability...just not always about what you want t o know about it seems.
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@loops77....was the prediction you described a major one? I totally agree re "free will bs." After all the readings I have had, just wondering if the final outcome will maniefest.
Yeah, it was related to a house purchase.
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Now, readers that tell me that something will happen in two weeks. It dosent happen, but it happens one to two years later. I give them credit for calling it. Usually, I keep these readers in limbo mode and dont say that they are innacurate or accurate until I know for sure. I dont put the timing against them anymore.
I sort of have an issue with this - not with YOU but with the theory.
OK many of us call on relationships. So yes in the beginning I was asking if he'd come back. As time went on I'd ask what he thought of me, or if we had a future. I had a high percentage of psychics who would give positive outcomes, and not just that he'd be back but that we would be together.
Timelines have come and gone so that's all wrong.
But giving the benefit of the doubt, if he comes back in the near future, would I have him back? No, because I am very happily involved with someone.
To me, that is an incorrect outcome, if I was told we'd be together. Yes you can say I changed the outcome by dating someone else, but let's get real here, I have a right to move on and enjoy life with or without someone. If I am told that my ex will come back and we will be together, I expect that if the psychic sees that, they also see that I am available to be with him.
So now let's put another twist on it - if he comes back in 5 years and I am no longer with my current guy (and I don't see either scenario happening) - then does that mean positive outcome, when most of my predictions were for fall 2011? I mean, just how long does one wait so they can say - wow, that psychic I read with 6 years and 7 months ago was RIGHT! IMO there just has to be a time where we say, ok enough is enough and nothing came to pass.
It's not like we're 16 and someone is giving us a synopsis of the rest of our lives.
My .02 to stir the pot :o
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I agree..that was a pretty good .02 to stir the pot. If someone gets a prediction of finding a $100 dollar bill in a week of the reading, and you find a $1 bill instead in a month, is the psychic still right? IMO, a resounding NO. They were specific about the time (one week) specific about the money ($100), but what happened was a $1 bill find in a month. Just because it's money doesn't make it accurate, only because of the specificity from the psychic. Many psychics are off because of how they misinterpret what they see/feel/hear based on their own experiences. I am going to want a refund.
I've gotten that "definitely there was a delay" line from AboutAgirl, when I chatted her back and told her she was wrong about a prediction. I swear these must be default answers readers give to disclaim their inaccuracies.
I haven't read with Cookie but have had conversations with her, so do be careful. She seemed more concerned with making money than helping people. Don't get me wrong, I want to make money in my lifetime too, but not at the expense of people in a crisis. (Edited) this is not Cookie Spiritualist Reader, since she only reads on Keen. The Cookie I am referencing has her own site.
I believe it was either Christine Lynn or Gaylene who mentioned that they do not necessarily make predictions unless there is a very strong indication to do so.
BellaLife, I'm interested in your post about your timing situation. When you kept going back to the same psychic after continuous failed predictions, did you ever ask her why she was off or the universe or whatever it was, that made the prediction not happen during the time frame she mentioned? If she was so positive about the prediction, what was she seeing/feeling that gave her such confidence for her inaccuracy. For some reason this is key, because the prediction happened like an entire year later? A time, I would have written off a long time ago at three friggin’ months, because that is what she told me.
It's interesting because when a psychic is off on a prediction, they can still be accurate but off (why is timing almost always off?). Psychics almost always say it’s some other entity other than the fact that they misread that particular situation.
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Hi Zee......honestly I do not believe I ask about the time, I do remember telling her I was bummed because I did not meet the guy yet......she just kept telling me you are going to meet this man.........and I still do not go by timing, (believe me Zee, I wish I could make things happen in the time frame they predicted).......but if I am being told over and over again the same thing then it will happen....just not sure when......timimg is tough.....wish I had the answer to that for sure!
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I think this is where the "dreaded free will" comes in and most good psychics will make sure to mention that. My take on a reading is a forecast of probability given that the emotions and situation does not change. Change can be anything - a new person, as in your case, impatience on the part of the querent, also in your case, or some opportunity that crosses the path of the subject of your query. Which is why when psychics predict timeframes that are way out, in terms of many months or years, no matter what their predicted outcome might be, you have to take it with a grain of salt and remember that the more time that passes, the more influence free will might have on the situation.
Now, readers that tell me that something will happen in two weeks. It dosent happen, but it happens one to two years later. I give them credit for calling it. Usually, I keep these readers in limbo mode and dont say that they are innacurate or accurate until I know for sure. I dont put the timing against them anymore.
I sort of have an issue with this - not with YOU but with the theory.
OK many of us call on relationships. So yes in the beginning I was asking if he'd come back. As time went on I'd ask what he thought of me, or if we had a future. I had a high percentage of psychics who would give positive outcomes, and not just that he'd be back but that we would be together.
Timelines have come and gone so that's all wrong.
But giving the benefit of the doubt, if he comes back in the near future, would I have him back? No, because I am very happily involved with someone.
To me, that is an incorrect outcome, if I was told we'd be together. Yes you can say I changed the outcome by dating someone else, but let's get real here, I have a right to move on and enjoy life with or without someone. If I am told that my ex will come back and we will be together, I expect that if the psychic sees that, they also see that I am available to be with him.
So now let's put another twist on it - if he comes back in 5 years and I am no longer with my current guy (and I don't see either scenario happening) - then does that mean positive outcome, when most of my predictions were for fall 2011? I mean, just how long does one wait so they can say - wow, that psychic I read with 6 years and 7 months ago was RIGHT! IMO there just has to be a time where we say, ok enough is enough and nothing came to pass.
It's not like we're 16 and someone is giving us a synopsis of the rest of our lives.
My .02 to stir the pot :o
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Now, readers that tell me that something will happen in two weeks. It dosent happen, but it happens one to two years later. I give them credit for calling it. Usually, I keep these readers in limbo mode and dont say that they are innacurate or accurate until I know for sure. I dont put the timing against them anymore.
I sort of have an issue with this - not with YOU but with the theory.
OK many of us call on relationships. So yes in the beginning I was asking if he'd come back. As time went on I'd ask what he thought of me, or if we had a future. I had a high percentage of psychics who would give positive outcomes, and not just that he'd be back but that we would be together.
Timelines have come and gone so that's all wrong.
But giving the benefit of the doubt, if he comes back in the near future, would I have him back? No, because I am very happily involved with someone.
To me, that is an incorrect outcome, if I was told we'd be together. Yes you can say I changed the outcome by dating someone else, but let's get real here, I have a right to move on and enjoy life with or without someone. If I am told that my ex will come back and we will be together, I expect that if the psychic sees that, they also see that I am available to be with him.
So now let's put another twist on it - if he comes back in 5 years and I am no longer with my current guy (and I don't see either scenario happening) - then does that mean positive outcome, when most of my predictions were for fall 2011? I mean, just how long does one wait so they can say - wow, that psychic I read with 6 years and 7 months ago was RIGHT! IMO there just has to be a time where we say, ok enough is enough and nothing came to pass.
It's not like we're 16 and someone is giving us a synopsis of the rest of our lives.
My .02 to stir the pot :o
I'm a bit more demanding when it comes to relationship readings... I would deem your prediction wrong as well. If the psychic was anywhere near accurate, she would have said "He will come back into your life, but you would have already moved on and be dating someone else. I just don't know if you would want to pursue anything then". To me, they would have to get the total dynamics and cirumstances around it right for me to give them credit. The exact date that it happens won't matter to me. In the end, she was right.
I would be stingy of giving your second psychic any points as well. Five years is a long time, lets face it. She should be able to determine that things wont happen "in the now". She would have had to say "He loves you. There is potential to have him back in your life, but it could take a long while and you will each go through your own experiences during that time. I don't know how long it could take. But you wont have the opportunity to be with him anytime soon. I see several guys that you will date in the mean time (goes on to explain the new guy). As time goes by, you realize that she is right. This is how explicit a psychic would have to be with me to deem her right on. This rarely ever happens.
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Hell no it doesn’t happen, but that is what the big search is for. I agree. I am a bit more demanding too.
And BellaLife, that’s part of my point. You never asked about timeframes, but were given them nonetheless. Even if one never asks about timing during readings and the psychic tells you one, shouldn’t the psychic be held liable for misinformation? Isn’t this mainly the reason psychics are deemed inaccurate even if they tap into the situation correctly?
Personally, I have found, I get better readings with accurate predictions from Clairvoyance, Clairsentience, Clairaudience specialists, with a sprinkling of tools throughout, so for me, smee2 your numbers seem really good.
Empaths, IMO would be the least accurate over time, because you'd have to read with them every minute of every day, due to emotional fluctuations. Emotions can change as easily as blinking. And isn’t remote viewing a tool like tarot cards? Empaths as well as CV/CA/CS can use it nor do you have to be psychic, and I’ve read it’s considered more of a science than psychictry. I haven’t come across any RVs myself, but don't really think I have a need for them either.
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@Zee.....I see and get your point......I just have not found a psychic yet that has been great with timing.....I wonder if there are truly any psychics out there that can predict times and be correct. Love to know if anyone can share?
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I agree..that was a pretty good .02 to stir the pot. If someone gets a prediction of finding a $100 dollar bill in a week of the reading, and you find a $1 bill instead in a month, is the psychic still right? IMO, a resounding NO. They were specific about the time (one week) specific about the money ($100), but what happened was a $1 bill find in a month. Just because it's money doesn't make it accurate, only because of the specificity from the psychic. Many psychics are off because of how they misinterpret what they see/feel/hear based on their own experiences. I am going to want a refund.
I've gotten that "definitely there was a delay" line from AboutAgirl, when I chatted her back and told her she was wrong about a prediction. I swear these must be default answers readers give to disclaim their inaccuracies.
I haven't read with Cookie but have had conversations with her, so do be careful. She seemed more concerned with making money than helping people. Don't get me wrong, I want to make money in my lifetime too, but not at the expense of people in a crisis.
I believe it was either Christine Lynn or Gaylene who mentioned that they do not necessarily make predictions unless there is a very strong indication to do so.
BellaLife, I'm interested in your post about your timing situation. When you kept going back to the same psychic after continuous failed predictions, did you ever ask her why she was off or the universe or whatever it was, that made the prediction not happen during the time frame she mentioned? If she was so positive about the prediction, what was she seeing/feeling that gave her such confidence for her inaccuracy. For some reason this is key, because the prediction happened like an entire year later? A time, I would have written off a long time ago at three friggin’ months, because that is what she told me.
It's interesting because when a psychic is off on a prediction, they can still be accurate but off (why is timing almost always off?). Psychics almost always say it’s some other entity other than the fact that they misread that particular situation.
wait, you KNOW cookie? Tell us more. Honestly, that is the vibe that I get from most readers, and I honestly think it is part of the reason why they are so innacurate. Ive read that Cookie is also slow in readings as well.
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I specifically would like to know why many psychics are off with timing, since this is a biggie for many.
wait, you KNOW cookie? Tell us more. Honestly, that is the vibe that I get from most readers, and I honestly think it is part of the reason why they are so innacurate. Ive read that Cookie is also slow in readings as well.
No, I never said I knew her. I called and we talked about a reading, which never happened. If you email Cookie, she has an assistant (which I found out later) and some things transpired, which made me say what I did. Cookie may be all that and a basket of strawberries, but I will never get a reading from her. She is on my avoid list, but she comes highly rated on this forum, so good luck. (EDIT: The Cookie I was referencing has her own site, not Cookie Spiritualist Reader on Keen.)
I too have felt that psychics are dishonest, but not ALL can be placed in the same pot of boiling water. I've talked to some that were very helpful and instrumental in helping me see the light of day and there are many who are either generous with their time or generous with their knowledge. It's all a crap shoot.
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Cookie (Spirtualist Reader) and Cookie who is some psychic in Detroit with her own website are two different people.
Spiritualist Reader Cookie only reads on Keen. She has a profile on Advisor Universe, but rarely logs on.
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Zee, thanks for your vote of confidence. I must admit when I first started calling psychics I had no idea what I ws doing. Most of my "garden-variety" psychic referenced were from the beginning, I didn't research their speciality and even going back now, some simply don't state. Most of them read cystals, runes, energy, aura etc. However, at one point in the recent past, I started reading about readers that had some sort of reputation for calling outcomes, predicting contact timeframes within reason...and went about assembling my team of advisors. To date, that team consists of 20 individuals - some tarot card readers, some empaths (I particularly like them because I get a sense of where my ex's head is at - but it does mean you have to keep the inquries coming because, as you say, they get a snapshot of emotions, that are inclined to change rapidly. It is only over a period of time, tuning into these empaths, that you can see a trend of emotional inclination. But even then that doesn't predict an outcome necessarily). I have a larger number of Clairvoyant/clairaudient/clairsentients in my team, some having empathic abilities as well that I lean on for the big picture and rest more heavily on their predictions for outcome. And then to back them up with what I term as a less-subjectively driven tarot card readers, that are working with probability when drawing cards, but the images on the cards are less subject to misinterpretation (if you get a good tarot card reader). So, the team has front liners, midfielders and full backs, as it were.
Now, as to timing, I look at timeframe predictions as milemarkers. They are not the destination, but they do help to give you an idea of how far away you are from your destination = "outcome" . If the destination or "outcome" is predicted to occur within a couple of weeks, then who cares about a milemarker - before you have chance to read it you are already arriving at the outcome.
Where milemarkers come into play is when the "outcome" is predicted to occur down the road, and therefore the milemarkers are really important to make sure you know you are still on the path. By the way, milemarkers don;t have to come in the form of contact times or dates, but I think if I were given an outcome that is more than 2 months hence, then I would definitely be crafting my query so that I could get some sense of a sign along the way that the psychic is on the right route. Those signs could be detected by remote viewing, or clairvoyants "seeing" a particular scene...that when you happen upon it you can say, "aha, so that's what she/he meant...ah, so I am on the right path after all"!
In my case, if a reader gave me a prediction of more than 6 months out *for a relationship reading*- I would disregard the reading as a positive one - simply because there is too much time between then and now for me and the subject to stay on the current path and too many opportunities for free will to change the course.
Hell no it doesn’t happen, but that is what the big search is for. I agree. I am a bit more demanding too.
And BellaLife, that’s part of my point. You never asked about timeframes, but were given them nonetheless. Even if one never asks about timing during readings and the psychic tells you one, shouldn’t the psychic be held liable for misinformation? Isn’t this mainly the reason psychics are deemed inaccurate even if they tap into the situation correctly?
Personally, I have found, I get better readings with accurate predictions from Clairvoyance, Clairsentience, Clairaudience specialists, with a sprinkling of tools throughout, so for me, smee2 your numbers seem really good.
Empaths, IMO would be the least accurate over time, because you'd have to read with them every minute of every day, due to emotional fluctuations. Emotions can change as easily as blinking. And isn’t remote viewing a tool like tarot cards? Empaths as well as CV/CA/CS can use it nor do you have to be psychic, and I’ve read it’s considered more of a science than psychictry. I haven’t come across any RVs myself, but don't really think I have a need for them either.
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This is a very interesting issue. I remember asking several psychics cause they kept predicting marriage, as to when that would happen. They kept saying May 2012, august 2012 etc etc. The reason I was asking at the time was because I wanted to move on (which I am doing now, cause I can't wait forever) if it was going to take eons. They kept saying, "its so close, don't move on...you will regret it etc...and that a new guy will not make you happy like him." Given the current state, I wish I would moved on a year ago and not wasted time.
However, if for some shocking reason we do get married, then I will credit these psychics cause the ultimate outcome would manifest. Does everyone agree to that?
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I had one prediction that included a phrase "and I wouldn't be surprised if X asks you to marry her/him then" in my goodie bag of readings. Frankly, in my opinion, I don't need a psychic to predict that to me. Just get me to the "outcome" which is in the relationship and back on track, and we'll take it from there. Now, of course, if your reader was a clairaudient and he/she heard the significant other precticing his proposal speech, then that's another idea. In my opinion, the term marriage in readings is another way for psychics to demonstrate the depth of intention of the subject. In other words, if there is a reconnection, it's not going to be a flash in the pan.
This is a very interesting issue. I remember asking several psychics cause they kept predicting marriage, as to when that would happen. They kept saying May 2012, august 2012 etc etc. The reason I was asking at the time was because I wanted to move on (which I am doing now, cause I can't wait forever) if it was going to take eons. They kept saying, "its so close, don't move on...you will regret it etc...and that a new guy will not make you happy like him." Given the current state, I wish I would moved on a year ago and not wasted time.
However, if for some shocking reason we do get married, then I will credit these psychics cause the ultimate outcome would manifest. Does everyone agree to that?
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Agreed. I would happy to just know when the relationship is back on track with forward movement, not back and forth etc.
One of the readers, actually was clairaudient and clairvoyant...so she saw the proposal and described it to me. But honestly, who knows. My beleif in psychic powers and intuition is directly in conflict with my profession (attorney), so I confuse myself sometimes. I want to beleive, I really do, but only if the facts indicate as such.
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@ Joedie.....I with you on this part you wrote:.......... "I am also not too thrilled with the free will excuse/reason. I personally believe a good reader will see past the free will and give the right outcome. If the universe has something in store for me 5 years down the road my free will should not prevent it. Maybe delay it but not prevent".
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Sorry....meant to type Jordie.....typo....oh I have many typo's.....lol..... fingers faster than my brain!
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I made this correction on my previous post, thanks to SomethingBetter.
The Cookie I was referencing has her own site, not Cookie Spiritualist Reader. Also, the Cookie I mentioned told me to take a picture of my palm I think, or something like that (take a scan or image of something - I can't recall) and mail it to her and once she gets it with the money, she calls to set up an appointment. This is not the Keen Cookie SR.
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This whole timing thread totally makes me think of that movie Demi Moore was in about the same thing. It was the Tales From The Crypt: Dead Right episode. Cathy, played by Demi Moore was a gold digging waitress and a psychic told her that if she marries this guy named Charlie, he would inherit a lot of money. That's all fine and good, but Charlie was one huge, mound, of disgusting flab of a human being - just nasty. The psychic kept telling Cathy that as a psychic she was right, she was always right (I know I've heard this before). The part I remember most is when Cathy went back to the psychic and told her, the prediction didn't come true and that she was just a fraud, a phony. Cathy was just pissed off and said she was through wasting money and through with psychics, then stormed out. Nevertheless, the psychic continued to calmly tell her, the husband Charlie, would inherit a lot of money and then he would die. Of course, the psychic misinterpreted what Cathy really wanted and although she was right, there was an unexpected twist in the end and Charlie did inherit money, but not in the expected way that would make anything think they lived happily ever after. If you haven’t seen it, I don't want to ruin it for you but you can see that section of the movie on YouTube, if interested.
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@Zee....lol....forget you tube....what end up happening?
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Well, Cathy walks into a store and was the 1,000,000th customer and won 1 Million Dollars herself. She went back to the apartment to rub it in his fat face and his attitude was if I can’t have you, no man will and he killed her. That was how he inherited money, because he was her next of kin. He was then executed by the state for stabbing her to death. You should see it, he really butchered her.
The psychic totally missed all this pertinent stuff in the middle of how she gets rich. Typical.
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Wow! Thanks Zee.......certainly no happy ending there!
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Zee, so would I. Some of the contact events have passed for a few of my readings, and it is disappointing, especially when I have not done anything, that I am aware of, to cause a delay. However, in the bigger picture, perhaps I have ;).
Now, I had been told by some psychics that calling too many psychics, especially those that work with spirit guides can annoy spirits, because constant calling suggest that the querent does not have faith in the Universe and the time that it takes to accomplish what is predicted. I can tell you that when I heard that I got a little concerned because I was contacting empaths to monitor my significant other's general mood frequently. If you don't check in frequently, the empaths information can be misleading because it is akin to taking a snapshot of a movie. You get only one scene, and it is difficult to know how the movie ends if you are going to base it upon one scene.
It caused me to take pause and try not to call as much. However, in a recent reading, when the reader admitted that the timelines she had offered me in the past had been pushed back, I mentioned that perhaps all of my calls were responsible - that perhaps since I had been getting frequent readins, I had inadvertently caused these delays. Hearing that, she was quick to ask me why I felt that way. When I shared what I had been told she said she had never heard of that. If memory serves me well it was Gaylene that I was reading with at the time. I consider her a reputable reader, so I am now inclined to think that the story that we affect delays ourselves by questioning the spirit guides must not be the reason at all.
In fact, after my reading with Gaylene, I did a little research, albeit on the Internet where there is allsorts of information, but no way to validate much of it, but I do recall reading about spirit guides being here to help us, and spirit guides being very patient and not inclined to anger...... so it might just be an old wives tale after all.
Consequently, the way I tend to look at the delays is like this. The Universe sees a path that I am on. My significant other is on his path too. (Sadly, we used to be on the same path, but I digress). For now, we are on two paths. The Universe decides to bring us together, when we have learned/acquired/accomplished whatever task(s) we need to in order for us to co-exist and to prosper together as a couple on the same path. Now, I can easily say that I did nothing that I am aware of to take me of my path, but perhaps my significant other did..... and quite possibly, because my significant other did, perhaps now there is work to be done by the significant other, in order to reconnect to my path. In addition, because we are now on two separate paths, perhaps there is work that I must do, to make sure that I stay on this path so that my significant other can join me when his/her work is done! So, that being said, I know I have had to develop a more patient attitude. I have to continue to think postively. If I don't then perhaps the Universe determines that I am not ready. So if that is all true a delay can be caused by either or both of us.
I specifically would like to know why many psychics are off with timing, since this is a biggie for many.
wait, you KNOW cookie? Tell us more. Honestly, that is the vibe that I get from most readers, and I honestly think it is part of the reason why they are so innacurate. Ive read that Cookie is also slow in readings as well.
No, I never said I knew her. I called and we talked about a reading, which never happened. If you email Cookie, she has an assistant (which I found out later) and some things transpired, which made me say what I did. Cookie may be all that and a basket of strawberries, but I will never get a reading from her. She is on my avoid list, but she comes highly rated on this forum, so good luck. (EDIT: The Cookie I was referencing has her own site, not Cookie Spiritualist Reader on Keen.)
I too have felt that psychics are dishonest, but not ALL can be placed in the same pot of boiling water. I've talked to some that were very helpful and instrumental in helping me see the light of day and there are many who are either generous with their time or generous with their knowledge. It's all a crap shoot.
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I think this is where the "dreaded free will" comes in and most good psychics will make sure to mention that. My take on a reading is a forecast of probability given that the emotions and situation does not change. Change can be anything - a new person, as in your case, impatience on the part of the querent, also in your case, or some opportunity that crosses the path of the subject of your query. Which is why when psychics predict timeframes that are way out, in terms of many months or years, no matter what their predicted outcome might be, you have to take it with a grain of salt and remember that the more time that passes, the more influence free will might have on the situation.
It's been 2.5 years. I think I was more than patient. Like I said, at some point you just have to say, it ain't happening. And again, if they were truly predicting the future - they would have seen this!
I had one prediction that included a phrase "and I wouldn't be surprised if X asks you to marry her/him then" in my goodie bag of readings. Frankly, in my opinion, I don't need a psychic to predict that to me. Just get me to the "outcome" which is in the relationship and back on track, and we'll take it from there. Now, of course, if your reader was a clairaudient and he/she heard the significant other precticing his proposal speech, then that's another idea. In my opinion, the term marriage in readings is another way for psychics to demonstrate the depth of intention of the subject. In other words, if there is a reconnection, it's not going to be a flash in the pan.
Right, and I got those too, and "you're destined to be together" etc etc
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@sunandmoon...(btw I love that name)....did any prediction with respect to your ex manifest at all in the 2.5 years?
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I just went back to your earlier post, and it seems that if I am reading it correctly, you were given timeframes that came and passed over the 2.5 years, correct? That is a little different than what I was saying. I was referring to a situation where readers predict something will happen in a year or so, and to bear in mind that the outcome could be affected by free will of either or both parties. If I am understanding your situation, that was not the case. It was more along the lines of getting a short-term prediction that passed, and then being given revised timeframes. Is that correct?
I think this is where the "dreaded free will" comes in and most good psychics will make sure to mention that. My take on a reading is a forecast of probability given that the emotions and situation does not change. Change can be anything - a new person, as in your case, impatience on the part of the querent, also in your case, or some opportunity that crosses the path of the subject of your query. Which is why when psychics predict timeframes that are way out, in terms of many months or years, no matter what their predicted outcome might be, you have to take it with a grain of salt and remember that the more time that passes, the more influence free will might have on the situation.
It's been 2.5 years. I think I was more than patient. Like I said, at some point you just have to say, it ain't happening. And again, if they were truly predicting the future - they would have seen this!
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The push backs of occurrences or time span increases, doesn't really answer the question does it? If I'm tempted to cause a delay intentional or not, whether on my side or the other person in question, wouldn't this too be a prediction that could be seen? Shouldn’t I be warned not to do such and such if I want the outcome to happen? I want the outcome more than anything, why would I cause a sabotage?
I've heard readers say that too if you get too many readings, it will disrupt the outcome, and confuse the guides. Confuse them how? Aren’t they on a higher plane of existence, so as to know more than I about a given situation? How are they guiding me, if they continue to push the timing of events back and back and back? Then the next thing I know, I've waited over two years for an event to transpire. I don't know. This sounds more like default verbiage inaccurate psychics tend to give.
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@sunandmoon...(btw I love that name)....did any prediction with respect to your ex manifest at all in the 2.5 years?
I had correct dates of contact here and there, that's about it
I just went back to your earlier post, and it seems that if I am reading it correctly, you were given timeframes that came and passed over the 2.5 years, correct? That is a little different than what I was saying. I was referring to a situation where readers predict something will happen in a year or so, and to bear in mind that the outcome could be affected by free will of either or both parties. If I am understanding your situation, that was not the case. It was more along the lines of getting a short-term prediction that passed, and then being given revised timeframes. Is that correct?
I've had it all. Timeframes of days, weeks, months, and yes even 18 month timeframes.
Some were revised, some stood firm. None were correct.
BTW I have not had a reading in about a year. Final time frames were for this past spring. I will highly guess that if I were to call again (or if I never stopped), they'd continually be pushed out every 2-3 months as they always were. I was getting readings from June 2010 - Sept 2011
And what's the difference in a prediction being changed if it's short or long term? If you buy into the free-will camp (which it seems you do by the above quote), free will can change anything at anytime. It's not just for long term predictions.
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That's horrible!!! Dates of contacts only, sigh. It would be nice if the psychics could just be accurate and tell the truth.
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I'm not in support of the theory that spirit guides punish us for asking too many questions. I believe that there can be feasible reasons for delays. One is the way timing is predicted. The second is that there may be lessons to be learned before an event is to be realized, and one or both parties are not learning whatever thay are to learn quickly enough for the timeframes to be met.
In terms of timing, my experience is that readers are given numbers most often. The interpretation of those numbers is very loose. A "2" can be February, or 2 weeks, 2 daya, 2 months from now. Or in 2 day, 2 weeks, or 2 months - or on the 2nd of the month or any day in the month with a 2 init. You get what I mean. We are really at the readers mercy to be able to decipher what it is.
I recall a reading with Dr. Ginny a few weeks back. The timelines she gave for my outcome were so way off all of my other readings, that I was alarmed. I decided to ask her what message she received. She said, "I was given a 10" and "month"...and so she justified with me how she interpretted that as the "outcome" would occur in 10 months. I still wasn't convinced that this was the only interpretation, so I said to her "Well couldn't your message also indicate October?" (that was in line with all of my other readings, by the way). Her answer was , "No, I got a 10 and then the word month". Well, I am in no position to question Dr. Ginny, in fact, she comes well recommended by some, but at the end of the call, I simply couldn't accept that her message was interpretted in the only way it could have been. Of course I did not mention it to Ginny. I simply ended the call and thanked her.
In my mind, if a spirit guide give a "10" and "month" it is quite feasible that is could be the 10th month, or October. However, Dr. Ginny and I differ on that.
The push backs of occurrences or time span increases, doesn't really answer the question does it? If I'm tempted to cause a delay intentional or not, whether on my side or the other person in question, wouldn't this too be a prediction that could be seen? Shouldn’t I be warned not to do such and such if I want the outcome to happen? I want the outcome more than anything, why would I cause a sabotage?
I've heard readers say that too if you get too many readings, it will disrupt the outcome, and confuse the guides. Confuse them how? Aren’t they on a higher plane of existence, so as to know more than I about a given situation? How are they guiding me, if they continue to push the timing of events back and back and back? Then the next thing I know, I've waited over two years for an event to transpire. I don't know. This sounds more like default verbiage inaccurate psychics tend to give.
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I'm not in support of the theory that spirit guides punish us for asking too many questions. I believe that there can be feasible reasons for delays. One is the way timing is predicted. The second is that there may be lessons to be learned before an event is to be realized, and one or both parties are not learning whatever thay are to learn quickly enough for the timeframes to be met.
In terms of timing, my experience is that readers are given numbers most often. The interpretation of those numbers is very loose. A "2" can be February, or 2 weeks, 2 daya, 2 months from now. Or in 2 day, 2 weeks, or 2 months - or on the 2nd of the month or any day in the month with a 2 init. You get what I mean. We are really at the readers mercy to be able to decipher what it is.
I recall a reading with Dr. Ginny a few weeks back. The timelines she gave for my outcome were so way off all of my other readings, that I was alarmed. I decided to ask her what message she received. She said, "I was given a 10" and "month"...and so she justified with me how she interpretted that as the "outcome" would occur in 10 months. I still wasn't convinced that this was the only interpretation, so I said to her "Well couldn't your message also indicate October?" (that was in line with all of my other readings, by the way). Her answer was , "No, I got a 10 and then the word month". Well, I am in no position to question Dr. Ginny, in fact, she comes well recommended by some, but at the end of the call, I simply couldn't accept that her message was interpretted in the only way it could have been. Of course I did not mention it to Ginny. I simply ended the call and thanked her.
In my mind, if a spirit guide give a "10" and "month" it is quite feasible that is could be the 10th month, or October. However, Dr. Ginny and I differ on that.
Yes, I completely agree on the interpretation and have read twice with Dr. G. Some of her predictions did not happen and some are coming up for Nov/Dec. I have my doubts about the upcoming ones only because the previous ones didn't pan out. I'm disappointed in her (thread aptly titled) in the way she wasn't open minded about the 10 month interpretation for you. I can totally see both sides. I don't understand why she naturally assumed she was right without question and that is the way it is period. It really doesn't make sense, especially knowing the difficulty of pinpointing time. Couldn't it also have been the 10 day of the month your reading was in?
I also completely agreed (the way timing is predicted). Psychics often know they are wrong about predictions so I don't understand why they aren't taking better measures to assess how they can be better at their jobs. If you are wrong at something, wouldn't you want to work more diligently to try and correct your mistake(s) so that others have a much better experience? I’m only saying.
There are many experts in the field of whatever, but it doesn’t mean they are never wrong and it certainly doesn’t mean that they have all the answers. Practice doesn’t make perfect…it makes permanence.
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I'm not a sole proponent of free will cause delays, but I suppose it can. It has to be something really unexpected, though, otherwise I agree that the psychic should have/could have detected the potential at the time of the reading.
However, the longer timeframe between reading and predicted outcome, the greater the opportunity that something really unforeseen and unexpected can occur. That is not to say, that in a short time frame the same is not possible, but it is less probable and probability is what is at issue with all psychic predictions, I think.@sunandmoon...(btw I love that name)....did any prediction with respect to your ex manifest at all in the 2.5 years?
I had correct dates of contact here and there, that's about it
I just went back to your earlier post, and it seems that if I am reading it correctly, you were given timeframes that came and passed over the 2.5 years, correct? That is a little different than what I was saying. I was referring to a situation where readers predict something will happen in a year or so, and to bear in mind that the outcome could be affected by free will of either or both parties. If I am understanding your situation, that was not the case. It was more along the lines of getting a short-term prediction that passed, and then being given revised timeframes. Is that correct?
I've had it all. Timeframes of days, weeks, months, and yes even 18 month timeframes.
Some were revised, some stood firm. None were correct.
BTW I have not had a reading in about a year. Final time frames were for this past spring. I will highly guess that if I were to call again (or if I never stopped), they'd continually be pushed out every 2-3 months as they always were. I was getting readings from June 2010 - Sept 2011
And what's the difference in a prediction being changed if it's short or long term? If you buy into the free-will camp (which it seems you do by the above quote), free will can change anything at anytime. It's not just for long term predictions.
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:) Way to go sunandmoon!!!
Weird but I also started to get readings in (June 2010 to my last reading in January 4th 2012). Same thing happened my Ex and I never reconnected as a couple. I also think the same way...if I were to be calling again time frames would be pushed away...I am more calm now that I don't expect things to happen...
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:) Way to go sunandmoon!!!
Weird but I also started to get readings in (June 2010 to my last reading in January 4th 2012). Same thing happened my Ex and I never reconnected as a couple. I also think the same way...if I were to be calling again time frames would be pushed away...I am more calm now that I don't expect things to happen...
You are coming up on your one year mark as well - congrats!
I started to calm down a lot by summer of 2011. Readings didn't change, he talked to me less, I got better.
I am finally getting my finances under control so as much as I am sometimes tempted to call for entertainment purposes only, I refrain - what's the point? I believe whatever is going to happen will, and I've seen that future predictions really don't come true.
What really helped me was after I joined here and saw so many of the same stories with timelines and the way reconciliation dates seem to go in patterns. Right now most seem to be getting Sept/Oct predictions. I had already stopped talking to those that did pure astrology for that reason.
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Just wanted to chime in on this discussion with a bit of information that I received from a reader that explained "free will" a little better to me. I had always thought it referred to someone changing the course of things due to a change in mindset. And in fact, it's not really far off from that. I can't think of a generic example of this other than if a person has always dreamed of being an artist - an loves art - in fact is passionate about art, but does not follow that career path because inherent in being an artist there are dips and vales in income. In this case, while a career in the art industry might be their passion, intellectually they are obstacles to pursuit of that career. A person might justify why a career in art is not a wise choice.
Actually, I am thinking now that it is more akin to a person not listening to their inner voice for one or more reasons. Let's consider that a reading, I am told, is picking up on the energy of the emotions and disposition of the person(s) involved - what lies in their heart. That reading indicates the probable outcome given their dispositions...with a projected course mapped out based on those dispositions. Now, it is possible for a person to have or hold something in their heart, which can be detected in a reading, but quite something else in their head. If the person chooses to opt to act on the thoughts they have and chooses not to listen to their heart, then it's possible that the predicted outcome can change.
I hope I got it right! What are your thoughts?
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Newly, did Kisha say you had to contact him to reconcile? It it should happen regardless?
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I agree most psychics are off with timing. But I have stopped asking about timing. Because than I start expecting it, and I think when you start to expect it , the universe delays it.