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[loops77]

Generally, a failed prediction to me is one that never comes to pass. I have experienced where a psychic predicted something to occur in a certain month ( I figured in the same year). It actually happened two years later.

I don't believe in" free will, you can change the prediction, thinking about it stops it from happening bs" when I get readings. 90 percent of the time, I think a good psychic can tell a final outcome of a situation. It is just that less than 10 percent of psychic out there are good. I don't believe in timing anymore...stuff happens when it happens.

[Furah2fun]

@loops77....was the prediction you described a major one? I totally agree re "free will bs."  After all the readings I have had, just wondering if the final outcome will maniefest.

[elcaliente]

Well, that's my point entirely.  If the outcome can be off by as much as several years, we have to be very careful when reading posts where members say that a psychic's predictions didn't come to pass.  Unless, of course, several years have passed since the reading.

I think that there are many members on this forum that report that their readings were not accurate because certain timing has not occured within a timeframe given.  But if "outcome" is the deciding factor, and if outcome can be delayed for one reason or another, how do they really know?


The reason for my inquiry is because I, myself, am analyzing the readings I have received to see if there is consistency in the predictions given.  If, for example, a member has received 100 readings and all  have predicted a positive outcome, but contact timeframes may have differed within the 100 that report a positive outcome, should the member consider that the "outcome" predicted is probably going to occur? 

If a member has received 100 readings and 97% of them report a positive "outcome" with varying timelines, should a member consider that the predicted "outcome" is likely to occur, or does the fact that 3% report a negative "outcome" suggest that there is a chance that the "outcome" could either be positive or negative?

What measuring stick is used to determine the accuracy? 

I'll cite my own example here.  I received a reading yesterday with an "outcome" the same as 97% of the readings I have received.  However, there were a few poignant facts revealed in that reading, without any input from me, that indicated to me that the reader might very well be seeing something that is true.  Do all of you ask something in a reading to try to verify the reader's accuracy?  Is that something we should all be doing in our readings?  And what sort of query should it be, because I think that detail might be difficult for all readers to report.  Tarot readers for example might not be able to report the detail that remote viewers can. 

Remote viewers may give details in the now, but have been reported to have difficulty with outcome.  Empaths report on the emotions in the now, but may have difficulty reporting the outcome.  Clairvoyants may be able to report outcome, but not give as much detail as remote viewers, etc.  So is the best process to get a variety of readings from a variety of readers, a mixture of remote viewers, empaths and CVs and then see if they all "get" something?

Just curious to see what the rest of you think.

Well I can't speak for everyone, but from what I gather, a failed prediction is one that the never came to pass at all. Most when writing reviews, will say something like came to pass (but timing was off by x months.)

 Then some members have reported predictions coming true 2-3 years later. Scary!!

[BellaLife]

@loops77.......I am with you on free will bs............that is only an escape for the psychic who gave you the reading!

[elcaliente]

Yes.  I go into each reading I have with one key question.... "will the outcome I desire in this situation be positive?"  Details, such as when I might receive contact or when the outcome might occur are less important to me... than "if" the outcome is probable.

I wish to find out whether a certain outcome will occur from a situation I find myself in.  I query the readers, "will such and such occur?" focusing on the outcome, principally. Since my situation involves another person, I have consulted with a variety of readers - empaths, clairvoyants, what I refer to a garden-variety psychics that use a mixture of approaches, none of which are listed as their specialty and tarot card readers.

Now this may appear to some of you as being a somewhat scientific approach, but I believe with readings we are dealing with the "probability" of something happening, and as such I feel that the mathematical approach to determining whether a desired outcome is possible, could work as long as nothing changes significantly.

So, in my case, I felt the need to consult a variety of readers.  Empaths would only give me the emotional state at the time , which could vary from time to time dependent upon what was happening with the subject and while consulting them frequently might give me a sense as how emotions are progressing, perhaps I wouldn't get a clear picture of the outcome.  But with a mixture of empaths and clairvoyant/clairaudient/clairsentient would give a more comprehensive assessment and adding in tarot card readers as well, would perhaps give yet a clearer sense of the probability of the outcome .  I have yet to consult a remote viewer yet, because I am not sure how that could contribute to the overal picture.  Any of you that have consulted a remote viewer, I'd be interested in hearing if it does help.

So, here are the results of my readings thus far.
The mix comprises:
15% empaths that only promote their empathic abilities, they may have others, but I don't know
62% clairvoyant/clairaudient/clairscentient specialists, some may have empathic abilities as well
18% of what I call garden-variety psychics that use any or many forms or tools to do a reading
5% tarot card readers that simply read cards.

And the predictions thus far
Empaths :- 89.0%   positive outcome  11.0% negative outcome (reasonable since emotions fluctuate and they don't always offer predictions )
CV/CA/CS :- 98.1%    positive outcome  1.9% negative outcome
Garden-variety psychics (multiple tools) 96.8% positive outcome  3.2% negative outcome
Tarot card readers : - 100.0%   positive outcome 0.0% negative outcome

From those stats, should I be considering that the probability is high that I shall see the desired outcome?
I'm also curious to see if anyone else has taken this approach and developed a mix of "go-to" readers to maximize the clarity of the situation namely  someone that can hone in on the emotional male up of the subject, along with someone that might "see or sense" a series of events that are likely to occur, plus someone that reads cards to get a general sense of how things will play out, if nothing significant alters a path. 

Reason I am asking is because I read here that people have one or two go-to readers that they focus on.  I presume they are not simply remote viewers and empaths...since I would sense that might not render the overall picture.

@loops77.......I am with you on free will bs............that is only an escape for the psychic who gave you the reading!

[loops77]

Well, I will clarify. When I say a reader was wrong, something else actually happens that resolves the situation. If a reader says, you will get the loan, but at a sucky interest rate and I end up not getting it. It is wrong to me.

Now, readers that tell me that something will happen in two weeks. It dosent happen, but it happens one to two years later. I give them credit for calling it. Usually, I keep these readers in limbo mode and dont say that they are innacurate or accurate until I know for sure. I dont put the timing against them anymore.

Remote viewers, empaths, clairvoyants...if they were able to validate the situation, give me accurate information, but ended up being wrong about the whole thing anyway...I give them a bit of partial credit because they DID tap into it. Just that the information was misleading and didnt help me very much in the end. This is the majority of psychics, I believe. Cookie can tell me today that my boss will be in a bad mood, will be wearing a multi-colored tie and that he will be a hard ass on me during the big meeting. She may be right about everything else except him being a hard ass to me.....i give her a smidgen of credit...but her reading wasnt really helpful was it? This is the major reason that we keep trying to call and get readings by different psychics. They do have ability...just not always about what you want t o know about it seems.

[loops77]

@loops77....was the prediction you described a major one? I totally agree re "free will bs."  After all the readings I have had, just wondering if the final outcome will maniefest.

Yeah, it was related to a house purchase.

[sunandmoon]

Now, readers that tell me that something will happen in two weeks. It dosent happen, but it happens one to two years later. I give them credit for calling it. Usually, I keep these readers in limbo mode and dont say that they are innacurate or accurate until I know for sure. I dont put the timing against them anymore.

I sort of have an issue with this - not with YOU but with the theory.

OK many of us call on relationships. So yes in the beginning I was asking if he'd come back. As time went on I'd ask what he thought of me, or if we had a future. I had a high percentage of psychics who would give positive outcomes, and not just that he'd be back but that we would be together.

Timelines have come and gone so that's all wrong.

But giving the benefit of the doubt, if he comes back in the near future, would I have him back? No, because I am very happily involved with someone.

To me, that is an incorrect outcome, if I was told we'd be together. Yes you can say I changed the outcome by dating someone else, but let's get real here, I have a right to move on and enjoy life with or without someone. If I am told that my ex will come back and we will be together, I expect that if the psychic sees that, they also see that I am available to be with him.

So now let's put another twist on it - if he comes back in 5 years and I am no longer with my current guy (and I don't see either scenario happening) - then does that mean positive outcome, when most of my predictions were for fall 2011? I mean, just how long does one wait so they can say - wow, that psychic I read with 6 years and 7 months ago was RIGHT! IMO there just has to be a time where we say, ok enough is enough and nothing came to pass.

It's not like we're 16 and someone is giving us a synopsis of the rest of our lives.

My .02 to stir the pot 

[Zee]

I agree..that was a pretty good .02 to stir the pot.  If someone gets a prediction of finding a $100 dollar bill in a week of the reading, and you find a $1 bill instead in a month, is the psychic still right? IMO, a resounding NO.  They were specific about the time (one week) specific about the money ($100), but what happened was a $1 bill find in a month.  Just because it's money doesn't make it accurate, only because of the specificity from the psychic. Many psychics are off because of how they misinterpret what they see/feel/hear based on their own experiences. I am going to want a refund.

I've gotten that "definitely there was a delay" line from AboutAgirl, when I chatted her back and told her she was wrong about a prediction.  I swear these must be default answers readers give to disclaim their inaccuracies.

I haven't read with Cookie but have had conversations with her, so do be careful. She seemed more concerned with making money than helping people.  Don't get me wrong, I want to make money in my lifetime too, but not at the expense of people in a crisis. (Edited) this is not Cookie Spiritualist Reader, since she only reads on Keen. The Cookie I am referencing has her own site.

I believe it was either Christine Lynn or Gaylene who mentioned that they do not necessarily make predictions unless there is a very strong indication to do so.

BellaLife, I'm interested in your post about your timing situation.  When you kept going back to the same psychic after continuous failed predictions, did you ever ask her why she was off or the universe or whatever it was, that made the prediction not happen during the time frame she mentioned?  If she was so positive about the prediction, what was she seeing/feeling that gave her such confidence for her inaccuracy.  For some reason this is key, because the prediction happened like an entire year later?  A time, I would have written off a long time ago at three friggin’ months, because that is what she told me.

It's interesting because when a psychic is off on a prediction, they can still be accurate but off (why is timing almost always off?).  Psychics almost always say it’s some other entity other than the fact that they misread that particular situation.

[BellaLife]

Hi Zee......honestly I do not believe I ask about the time,  I do remember telling her I was bummed because I did not meet the guy yet......she just kept telling me you are going to meet this man.........and I still do not go by timing, (believe me Zee,  I wish I could make things happen in the time frame they predicted).......but if I am being told over and over again the same thing then it will happen....just not sure when......timimg is tough.....wish I had the answer to that for sure!

[elcaliente]

I think this is where the "dreaded free will" comes in and most good psychics will make sure to mention that.  My take on a reading is a forecast of probability given that the emotions and situation does not change.  Change can be anything - a new person, as in your case, impatience on the part of the querent, also in your case, or some opportunity that crosses the path of the subject of your query.  Which is why when psychics predict timeframes that are way out, in terms of many months or years, no matter what their predicted outcome might be, you have to take it with a grain of salt and remember that the more time that passes, the more influence free will might have on the situation.

Now, readers that tell me that something will happen in two weeks. It dosent happen, but it happens one to two years later. I give them credit for calling it. Usually, I keep these readers in limbo mode and dont say that they are innacurate or accurate until I know for sure. I dont put the timing against them anymore.

I sort of have an issue with this - not with YOU but with the theory.

OK many of us call on relationships. So yes in the beginning I was asking if he'd come back. As time went on I'd ask what he thought of me, or if we had a future. I had a high percentage of psychics who would give positive outcomes, and not just that he'd be back but that we would be together.

Timelines have come and gone so that's all wrong.

But giving the benefit of the doubt, if he comes back in the near future, would I have him back? No, because I am very happily involved with someone.

To me, that is an incorrect outcome, if I was told we'd be together. Yes you can say I changed the outcome by dating someone else, but let's get real here, I have a right to move on and enjoy life with or without someone. If I am told that my ex will come back and we will be together, I expect that if the psychic sees that, they also see that I am available to be with him.

So now let's put another twist on it - if he comes back in 5 years and I am no longer with my current guy (and I don't see either scenario happening) - then does that mean positive outcome, when most of my predictions were for fall 2011? I mean, just how long does one wait so they can say - wow, that psychic I read with 6 years and 7 months ago was RIGHT! IMO there just has to be a time where we say, ok enough is enough and nothing came to pass.

It's not like we're 16 and someone is giving us a synopsis of the rest of our lives.

My .02 to stir the pot 

[loops77]

Now, readers that tell me that something will happen in two weeks. It dosent happen, but it happens one to two years later. I give them credit for calling it. Usually, I keep these readers in limbo mode and dont say that they are innacurate or accurate until I know for sure. I dont put the timing against them anymore.

I sort of have an issue with this - not with YOU but with the theory.

OK many of us call on relationships. So yes in the beginning I was asking if he'd come back. As time went on I'd ask what he thought of me, or if we had a future. I had a high percentage of psychics who would give positive outcomes, and not just that he'd be back but that we would be together.

Timelines have come and gone so that's all wrong.

But giving the benefit of the doubt, if he comes back in the near future, would I have him back? No, because I am very happily involved with someone.

To me, that is an incorrect outcome, if I was told we'd be together. Yes you can say I changed the outcome by dating someone else, but let's get real here, I have a right to move on and enjoy life with or without someone. If I am told that my ex will come back and we will be together, I expect that if the psychic sees that, they also see that I am available to be with him.

So now let's put another twist on it - if he comes back in 5 years and I am no longer with my current guy (and I don't see either scenario happening) - then does that mean positive outcome, when most of my predictions were for fall 2011? I mean, just how long does one wait so they can say - wow, that psychic I read with 6 years and 7 months ago was RIGHT! IMO there just has to be a time where we say, ok enough is enough and nothing came to pass.

It's not like we're 16 and someone is giving us a synopsis of the rest of our lives.

My .02 to stir the pot 

I'm a bit more demanding when it comes to relationship readings... I would deem your prediction wrong as well. If the psychic was anywhere near accurate, she would have said "He will come back into your life, but you would have already moved on and be dating someone else. I just don't know if you would want to pursue anything then". To me, they would have to get the total dynamics and  cirumstances around it right for me to give them credit. The exact date that it happens won't matter to me. In the end, she was right.

I would be stingy of giving your second psychic any points as well. Five years is a long time, lets face it. She should be able to determine that things wont happen "in the now". She would have had to say "He loves you. There is potential to have him back in your life, but it could take a long while and you will each go through your own experiences during that time. I don't know how long it could take. But you wont have the opportunity to be with him anytime soon. I see several guys that you will date in the mean time (goes on to explain the new guy). As time goes by, you realize that she is right.   This is how explicit a psychic would have to be with me to deem her right on. This rarely ever happens.

[Zee]

Hell no it doesn’t happen, but that is what the big search is for.  I agree. I am a bit more demanding too.

And BellaLife, that’s part of my point.  You never asked about timeframes, but were given them nonetheless.  Even if one never asks about timing during readings and the psychic tells you one, shouldn’t the psychic be held liable for misinformation?  Isn’t this mainly the reason psychics are deemed inaccurate even if they tap into the situation correctly?

Personally, I have found, I get better readings with accurate predictions from Clairvoyance, Clairsentience, Clairaudience specialists, with a sprinkling of tools throughout, so for me, smee2 your numbers seem really good.

Empaths, IMO would be the least accurate over time, because you'd have to read with them every minute of every day, due to emotional fluctuations. Emotions can change as easily as blinking.  And isn’t remote viewing a tool like tarot cards?  Empaths as well as CV/CA/CS can use it nor do you have to be psychic, and I’ve read it’s considered more of a science than psychictry. I haven’t come across any RVs myself, but don't really think I have a need for them either.

[BellaLife]

@Zee.....I see and get your point......I just have not found a psychic yet that has been great with timing.....I wonder if there are truly any psychics out there that can predict times and be correct. Love to know if anyone can share?

[loops77]

I agree..that was a pretty good .02 to stir the pot.  If someone gets a prediction of finding a $100 dollar bill in a week of the reading, and you find a $1 bill instead in a month, is the psychic still right? IMO, a resounding NO.  They were specific about the time (one week) specific about the money ($100), but what happened was a $1 bill find in a month.  Just because it's money doesn't make it accurate, only because of the specificity from the psychic. Many psychics are off because of how they misinterpret what they see/feel/hear based on their own experiences. I am going to want a refund.

I've gotten that "definitely there was a delay" line from AboutAgirl, when I chatted her back and told her she was wrong about a prediction.  I swear these must be default answers readers give to disclaim their inaccuracies.

I haven't read with Cookie but have had conversations with her, so do be careful. She seemed more concerned with making money than helping people.  Don't get me wrong, I want to make money in my lifetime too, but not at the expense of people in a crisis.

I believe it was either Christine Lynn or Gaylene who mentioned that they do not necessarily make predictions unless there is a very strong indication to do so.

BellaLife, I'm interested in your post about your timing situation.  When you kept going back to the same psychic after continuous failed predictions, did you ever ask her why she was off or the universe or whatever it was, that made the prediction not happen during the time frame she mentioned?  If she was so positive about the prediction, what was she seeing/feeling that gave her such confidence for her inaccuracy.  For some reason this is key, because the prediction happened like an entire year later?  A time, I would have written off a long time ago at three friggin’ months, because that is what she told me.

It's interesting because when a psychic is off on a prediction, they can still be accurate but off (why is timing almost always off?).  Psychics almost always say it’s some other entity other than the fact that they misread that particular situation.

wait, you KNOW cookie? Tell us more. Honestly, that is the vibe that I get from most readers, and I honestly think it is part of the reason why they are so innacurate. Ive read that Cookie is also slow in readings as well.