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Sparkle002:
--- Quote from: Still tired on March 23, 2019, 10:28:06 PM ---I would rather see a space dedicated to skepticism of the accuracy of psychic ability and exposing scammers, rather than "usage." Too often people here want to excuse the inaccuracy of readings on user error. This forum is not moderated closely enough to have a safe space for people who are seeking support. If there is a section dedicated to "use and abuse" it will only turn into a place for people to be blamed for not getting readings the right way.
These issues are naturally going to come up in the middle of threads in the review sections...as well it should because it's a good idea to see if a particular reader has a lot of clients who are having "usage" problems. Some readers get more of that than others, and sometimes it is a problem with that reader. Why would you want to divide that out into a separate section?
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While I agree with your statement in blue, I would definitely want another board for these types of discussions (usage/abuse or whatever folks want to call it) - my question is why not (to the question in black)?
Whether it comes up naturally or not - sometimes usage problems take the "review" thread wayyyyy off track - which in itself is annoying.
Having to skip post after post on a thread to see real reviews is why I would vote for another board for those type of discussions.
Again, not sure why usage/abuse/management issues arent just added to the Vent board?
I think skepticism and accuracy of psychic readers are actually part of the "review" process and should be included within the thread about that specific reader (I think that is more natural and part of the review process rather than folks including psychic addition issues to a specific readers thread)
doubleoh8:
--- Quote from: Still tired on March 23, 2019, 10:28:06 PM ---I would rather see a space dedicated to skepticism of the accuracy of psychic ability and exposing scammers, rather than "usage." Too often people here want to excuse the inaccuracy of readings on user error. This forum is not moderated closely enough to have a safe space for people who are seeking support. If there is a section dedicated to "use and abuse" it will only turn into a place for people to be blamed for not getting readings the right way.
These issues are naturally going to come up in the middle of threads in the review sections...as well it should because it's a good idea to see if a particular reader has a lot of clients who are having "usage" problems. Some readers get more of that than others, and sometimes it is a problem with that reader. Why would you want to divide that out into a separate section?
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I guess I just see it a bit differently than you. I feel that the conversations about accuracy and scammers belongs in the threads for specific psychics... and that a conversation about addiction and related topics (like how to overcome it) is not attached to specific psychics but more universal -- at least for users here who are struggling in general. That said, you have a point about some readers getting more of that than others.
This suggestion was originally a response to the backlash to Baypark's thread 'Stop Getting Readings,' where a number of people complained vehemently that they didn't want review threads highjacked with opinions on the subject of abuse. My response to that backlash was, if you don't feel that the advice to stop getting readings is relevant to you, ignore it... and I thought, well, maybe that will be easier if it's in a dedicated discussion board. But you may be right; that dedicated board may turn into a place where people place blame and judgement.
TBH I don't have a strong opinion about having a separate board. It was just a suggestion. My opinion is more along these lines:
- some people really struggle with impulsive and compulsive reading
- that's very sad and also very hard to deal with
- on this forum, a fair number of conversations revolve around addiction issues
- I don't think the thing to do is silence those conversations; I think the thing to do is make space for them... and frankly I don't care what thread or board they're in
wishes215:
bitwine & PO/PG plssssssss
Sparkle002:
--- Quote from: Still tired on March 24, 2019, 01:03:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: doubleoh8 on March 24, 2019, 12:06:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: Still tired on March 23, 2019, 10:28:06 PM ---I would rather see a space dedicated to skepticism of the accuracy of psychic ability and exposing scammers, rather than "usage." Too often people here want to excuse the inaccuracy of readings on user error. This forum is not moderated closely enough to have a safe space for people who are seeking support. If there is a section dedicated to "use and abuse" it will only turn into a place for people to be blamed for not getting readings the right way.
These issues are naturally going to come up in the middle of threads in the review sections...as well it should because it's a good idea to see if a particular reader has a lot of clients who are having "usage" problems. Some readers get more of that than others, and sometimes it is a problem with that reader. Why would you want to divide that out into a separate section?
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I guess I just see it a bit differently than you. I feel that the conversations about accuracy and scammers belongs in the threads for specific psychics... and that a conversation about addiction and related topics (like how to overcome it) is not attached to specific psychics but more universal -- at least for users here who are struggling in general. That said, you have a point about some readers getting more of that than others.
This suggestion was originally a response to the backlash to Baypark's thread 'Stop Getting Readings,' where a number of people complained vehemently that they didn't want review threads highjacked with opinions on the subject of abuse. My response to that backlash was, if you don't feel that the advice to stop getting readings is relevant to you, ignore it... and I thought, well, maybe that will be easier if it's in a dedicated discussion board. But you may be right; that dedicated board may turn into a place where people place blame and judgement.
TBH I don't have a strong opinion about having a separate board. It was just a suggestion. My opinion is more along these lines:
- some people really struggle with impulsive and compulsive reading
- that's very sad and also very hard to deal with
- on this forum, a fair number of conversations revolve around addiction issues
- I don't think the thing to do is silence those conversations; I think the thing to do is make space for them... and frankly I don't care what thread or board they're in
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Oh don't get me wrong...I like the idea, especially of having it be a place where people can seek support. But it would take more moderation than this forum currently gets, to make it a safe space. That's up to the admin, really. But I wouldn't want to see it turn into a place where people just get blamed for using readings the wrong way, or get written off as addicts when they are just trying to cut back on spending.
Maybe I'm wrong on this but I feel like people find it more intrusive in review threads when peolle say that readings just aren't accurate, in general. It might help to have a separate section for that. There are a fair number of people who have had readings and never had anything significant come to pass. It has gotten to the point that every time someone brings that up, people automatically point to them as being the problem, instead of discussing which readers were wrong or why those readers may have missed things.
Case in point...every time someone has a big prediction come to pass, people want to know "who did you read with?" But they rarely ask that when someone says nothing came to pass.
If we had a section specifically for people who have had bad results with readings, or who lost belief in it, I think a lot of interesting information would come out of it that would ultimately help everyone. Of course it belongs in the threads and sections that already exist here, but people get triggered by it, especially if it comes up in reference to a psychic they like. If it was in a separate section, then it would be like, well you know what to expect if you go looking in that part of the forum.
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I think no one asks about a reader where things haven’t come to pass because no one cares?
Why would I inquire about a reader where nothing came to pass for multiple ppl?
For readings that don’t come to pass I simply ignore them and just say “oh well” like I lost a gamble
Maybe because I don’t rely on everything they say? IDK
The only thing that helps is if I see in the thread how readers readings didn’t come to pass when people come back to update - just as we are incline to read with a reader who has a lot of users update and say readings come to pass.
The thing is not every reader works for everyone - BUT I do agree it would be nice to “out” those who are scammers but I think that goes against the Boards Terms of Service
Why have a section for people to discuss how they don’t believe (or lost belief) in psychics? Like that doesn’t need to be a board but a WHOLE NEW WEBSITE lol
Sparkle002:
--- Quote from: Still tired on March 24, 2019, 02:37:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sparkle002 on March 24, 2019, 02:16:11 AM ---Why have a section for people to discuss how they don’t believe (or lost belief) in psychics? Like that doesn’t need to be a board but a WHOLE NEW WEBSITE lol
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Because people get triggered whenever it is mentioned. And if it was discussed more it may help people. Those are the kinds of posts that helped me when I first came to this forum. It used to be the norm here. Now people act like this forum is supposed to be all in favor of getting readings. It was not founded on that.
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If this a Psychic Review website - I would assume that this site was founded on not only getting readings, but reviewing readers when reading with them
So when you first came to this board you were seeking to get over reading with psychics? (Not to single you out but this may be just a general question who may have the same perspective as you)
I’ll say - this site didn’t signal that to me...i was looking for reviews of good readers to read with - who typically worked and who didn’t and amazing predictions that actually came to pass (i love reading those types of stories)
I rarely look at things that didn’t work or didn’t come to pass unless i was thinking about reading with them to help make my decision- honestly i thought that the title Psychic Reviews was all about
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