Some Myth Busting from a Keen Advisor

[pprincess]

For want of a better analogy, it's like gambling.  Some cities have one casino.  Sure a smaller percentage of people will get addicted and go there often, but most will only attend occasionally for a bit of "fun" say once a month or so, or on a special occasion.

However, other countries and cities have casinos on every street corner - as a consequence far more become addicted - it's too easily available.

I think that's my point re Keen and others..

Yes gambling is  a perfect analogy. If you walk through a casino and are even a little bit intuitive or empathic, you can tell who the compulsive gamblers are, who has a problem, who cannot afford to spend the money they are playing with. It's the same with clients. And this message board is analogous to a gambler's message board. Those who take a trip to Vegas once a year or drive to the local reservation one Sunday a month are not on the gambling message boards because why would they be? They have a healthy relationship with gambling so don't put a lot of energy into seeking out advice or support on the subject.

[sawthelight]

I tend to think psychic readings are a bit different than gambling though (although I agree with Kate's analogy)...I mean you gamble, either you win or you lose, what is there going to be a forum about what slot machines pay out?  LOL..but with readings, it's like pot luck trying to find a reader who actually works and is authentic and gets things right for you...so people seek out opinions.  Same as yelp for stores and what not.  Just because you are reading a Yelp review about a store doesn't make you a compulsive shopper...

[bstalling]

How else are clients supposed to seperate the wheat from the chaffe besides having review boards about these readers? Even if some here are addicts, the purpose of this board is still the same and on the up and up---to review readers. Let us face it, very few leave objective reviews on Keen, especially with a 2 week window to post them. Critical reviews are often taken down lately. California Psychics dosent even allow any negative reviews at all. Every reader is wonderful over there, supposedly. There are simply too many bad readers out there, whether you think the majority of
us are addicts or not. And there is no accountability in this profession--most of you don't even post your real names.

I'm not even blaming Keen or any other platform, because its just a platform. But the vast majority of you are questionable. This has been proven over time on this board. You yourself may not
be suspect, and its great to speak for yourself. But this board exists for very good reason.

[HornetKick]

Most of our clients do not have a psychic addiction.

I don't believe this because if you look at some of the reviews on some of the higher costing readers on Keen, reviews are left constantly by the same person, multiple times. How are they not addicted if they are leaving so many reviews. Are we to believe it's because they are helping the reader to raise their rating score by leaving five stars all the time?
Some of the things you say are just questionable considering you work for Keen, but you aren't an analyst. You don't know the backgrounds of the majority of callers anymore than we do.
You're guessing based only on your worldview of clients that call you.

[bstalling]

I tend to think psychic readings are a bit different than gambling though (although I agree with Kate's analogy)...I mean you gamble, either you win or you lose, what is there going to be a forum about what slot machines pay out?  LOL..but with readings, it's like pot luck trying to find a reader who actually works and is authentic and gets things right for you...so people seek out opinions.  Same as yelp for stores and what not.  Just because you are reading a Yelp review about a store doesn't make you a compulsive shopper...

I agree with this. And even if you are a compulsive shopper, you can still leave reviews on all the swag you've bought. Dosent discredit your review any less.

[pprincess]

I tend to think psychic readings are a bit different than gambling though (although I agree with Kate's analogy)...I mean you gamble, either you win or you lose, what is there going to be a forum about what slot machines pay out?  LOL..but with readings, it's like pot luck trying to find a reader who actually works and is authentic and gets things right for you...so people seek out opinions.  Same as yelp for stores and what not.  Just because you are reading a Yelp review about a store doesn't make you a compulsive shopper...

I don't think the Yelp analogy quite works, because nobody is saying that the people who read the reviews on Keen have a problem. Yelp reviews would be analogous to a reader's reviews on Keen. This is a whole separate website and message board where people discuss Keen psychics. And yes there are all types of gambling message boards, chats, advice, etc.

[pprincess]

How else are clients supposed to seperate the wheat from the chaffe besides having review boards about these readers? Even if some here are addicts, the purpose of this board is still the same and on the up and up---to review readers. Let us face it, very few leave objective reviews on Keen, especially with a 2 week window to post them. Critical reviews are often taken down lately. California Psychics dosent even allow any negative reviews at all. Every reader is wonderful over there, supposedly. There are simply too many bad readers out there, whether you think the majority of
us are addicts or not. And there is no accountability in this profession--most of you don't even post your real names.

I'm not even blaming Keen or any other platform, because its just a platform. But the vast majority of you are questionable. This has been proven over time on this board. You yourself may not
be suspect, and its great to speak for yourself. But this board exists for very good reason.

Wow I cannot believe critical reviews aren't allowed on California Psychics. That's ridiculous and I would never use that site if that's true. There indeed would be no way to know who is any good. The feedback system exists for a good reason and I think Keen is very fair about it. If they favor anyone in regards to ratings, it's the clients. They are pretty strict about keeping the integrity of the system intact, and that is how you tell who is any good. No reader will be right all the time or work for everyone, so you have to just look at someone's feedback and try to find the common threads of truth in it. If a bunch of the one stars have the same complaint (she was washing dishes while talking to me), then you know the reader might wash dishes while talking to you. If the good reviews seem to all be from one or two people, that would be something to watch out for as well because it means that reader encourages people to call her over and over again, and I wouldn't trust the ones that feed into the addiction.

[HornetKick]

Yelp is a platform just like Keen and has questionable reviews just like Keen.
A negative review can be removed, the same as any other platform from both Yelp and Keen, CP, Bitwine, Kasamba, Oranum, or just name any other platform out there.
Positive reviews can be left by anyone and friends post for another friend's business many times, just like Keen.

[pprincess]

Most of our clients do not have a psychic addiction.

I don't believe this because if you look at some of the reviews on some of the higher costing readers on Keen, reviews are left constantly by the same person, multiple times. How are they not addicted if they are leaving so many reviews. Are we to believe it's because they are helping the reader to raise their rating score by leaving five stars all the time?
Some of the things you say are just questionable considering you work for Keen, but you aren't an analyst. You don't know the backgrounds of the majority of callers anymore than we do.
You're guessing based only on your worldview of clients that call you.

Yes there are definitely people with psychic addictions that call the same reader or many readers over and over again. That does not make up the majority of the clients though - there is no way so many readers could survive on the income from just those people. They are a small percentage and that is really obvious if you actually look through the feedback of readers, and also keep in mind that we receive feedback now from only about 10% of our calls. After working many years on Keen, taking tens of thousands of calls, and of course listening to other readers on the reader-only message boards there, I do indeed think I'm more informed about the nature of our clientele than you are.

[HornetKick]

You're just another reader PP who is bitter and hateful when the truth comes out - that although you charge $4 per min - upwards of $19.99 per min. You're truly just a buck 99 reader.
You only created the Myth Busting thread to cause tension. You aren't really helping anyone, by posting the truth as you see it, but post using nastiness by being a bitch. Perhaps scale back on that a bit and you might be a better reader.

I can tell by some of your posts you're angry at what is being said about you as a reader, because your ego is bigger than your paycheck and you can't seem to understand where the discrepancy lies.

Sure, all readers don't work for everyone, but as a reader when you're called out on being wrong, it can't all be every clients fault.  How is it that after so many calls, tens of thousands you say and you still get so much information wrong? One fact I can say about some readers is that at least they are consistently inconsistent! I can surely count on that happening.
Are you not working to be a better reader, taking classes, looking into what you thought you saw towards what you actually interpreted?
And I seriously doubt you are as informed as you say. Only desperate readers who want to shift blame join a forum about readers, where clients write truthful reviews.

[bstalling]

Still, there is more depth provided here from those that post about their experiences with readers compared to Keen feedback system. We learn about peoples experiences over time, we learn certain quirks of readers and can see a common theme--over time. We have to use our own discernment about who to call or not, but boards like this, from posters that share a common insterest, can better help a paying client choose wisely--whether they are an addict or not.

[pprincess]

You're just another reader PP who is bitter and hateful when the truth comes out - that although you charge $4 per min - upwards of $19.99 per min. You're truly just a buck 99 reader.
You only created the Myth Busting thread to cause tension. You aren't really helping anyone, by posting the truth as you see it, but post using nastiness by being a bitch. Perhaps scale back on that a bit and you might be a better reader.

I can tell by some of your posts you're angry at what is being said about you as a reader, because your ego is bigger than your paycheck and you can't seem to understand where the discrepancy lies.

Sure, all readers don't work for everyone, but as a reader when you're called out on being wrong, it can't all be every clients fault.  How is it that after so many calls, tens of thousands you say and you still get so much information wrong? One fact I can say about some readers is that at least they are consistently inconsistent! I can surely count on that happening.
Are you not working to be a better reader, taking classes, looking into what you thought you saw towards what you actually interpreted?
And I seriously doubt you are as informed as you say. Only desperate readers who want to shift blame join a forum about readers, where clients write truthful reviews.

Wow do you hear yourself? And I'm the bitter and hateful bitch? You need real help, my friend.

[HornetKick]

I am getting help. I call Keen psychics and am following their advice, per your instructions.

Plus we aren't friends, remember that.....that is what YOU said.

[pprincess]

Still, there is more depth provided here from those that post about their experiences with readers compared to Keen feedback system. We learn about peoples experiences over time, we learn certain quirks of readers and can see a common theme--over time. We have to use our own discernment about who to call or not, but boards like this, from posters that share a common insterest, can better help a paying client choose wisely--whether they are an addict or not.

The things I was addressing in my post were not related to people providing honest feedback about readers. The specific things I addressed were 1) The "all readers only care about your money" theme that seems to be all over the place here, 2) The BS that we share client information - I don't even know where or why we would do that, and 3) The assertion I see here that we are purposely lying to you.

[bstalling]

You're just another reader PP who is bitter and hateful when the truth comes out - that although you charge $4 per min - upwards of $19.99 per min. You're truly just a buck 99 reader.
You only created the Myth Busting thread to cause tension. You aren't really helping anyone, by posting the truth as you see it, but post using nastiness by being a bitch. Perhaps scale back on that a bit and you might be a better reader.

I can tell by some of your posts you're angry at what is being said about you as a reader, because your ego is bigger than your paycheck and you can't seem to understand where the discrepancy lies.

Sure, all readers don't work for everyone, but as a reader when you're called out on being wrong, it can't all be every clients fault.  How is it that after so many calls, tens of thousands you say and you still get so much information wrong? One fact I can say about some readers is that at least they are consistently inconsistent! I can surely count on that happening.
Are you not working to be a better reader, taking classes, looking into what you thought you saw towards what you actually interpreted?
And I seriously doubt you are as informed as you say. Only desperate readers who want to shift blame join a forum about readers, where clients write truthful reviews.

Well, I wasn't going to go there, but I do question this. Do any of you real readers ever question why there is such a disconnect with accuracy? Do you actively pursue ways to get better...and be less wrong? I get the feeling that a lot of you just end up being offended when we post critical reviews and then shrug your shoulders and move on to the next client. Some of you come on here and pretend to be clients, then chastize us when we criticize your service. I'm asking earnestly here, because I do believe that there are good ones out there that can be more consistant than they are.

At this point, I believe in psychic ability. But I'm 50/50 about even good readers being capable of providing a useful, consistent service.